Do fights break out when things get fraught? “No, we get on really well,” Allen giggles. “We work five, six, seven days a week, but I’ve always had a really healthy relationship with the studio.” He founded it on calm determination and it is a quality they both seem proud of. “Elliot’s father has a working-class business, I grew up in a similar situation; my grandfather was an electrician, my stepfather was a plumber. We work with that mindset; we have a service to give,” Allen says. “It keeps us going. That, and a bit of 6 Music.”